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Old 07-21-2018, 08:06 AM
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Help me identify this Zenith?

I found this for sale here in Spain, just a 14-hour ferry trip away. If I'm not mistaken this is one of the last all-tube color chassis, definitely before the 4-tube hybrid era.

It's particularly interesting to me because these weren't built or sold here and it may be the only chance I have to get my hands on a Zenith color set with tubes in it.

What say you, VK?

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Old 07-21-2018, 09:19 AM
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I like it , and considering the rarity of such sets in Spain if a 14 hour ferry trip isn't enough to scare you off , by all means , go for it !!!!

Kinda puts into perspective what folks in other parts of the world have to do in order to secure such a set , here I know of folks who wouldn't take a 4 hour trip , much less a 14 hour trip !

Hopefully the 14 hours is round trip , as in 7 hours each way ?
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:44 AM
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I found this for sale here in Spain, just a 14-hour ferry trip away. If I'm not mistaken this is one of the last all-tube color chassis, definitely before the 4-tube hybrid era.

It's particularly interesting to me because these weren't built or sold here and it may be the only chance I have to get my hands on a Zenith color set with tubes in it.

What say you, VK?

It looks like a 12A12C52, a 1970 model year. One of my favorites, a great performer. Hybrid chassis, 12 tubes in sweep circuits, tuner and audio.
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:25 AM
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It looks like a 12A12C52, a 1970 model year. One of my favorites, a great performer. Hybrid chassis, 12 tubes in sweep circuits, tuner and audio.
I've got a very similar 1971 model (cabinet was called the Boyden) with the 12B13C52 chassis. Same number of tubes. The chassis is ~half discrete transistor solid state, with the chroma demod being a DIP IC on a lone duramodule board similar to those used in their SS sets. Very good sets.

This set is missing the hue knob and it's hole so my guess is that it is an export PAL model.
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Old 07-21-2018, 12:40 PM
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I've got a very similar 1971 model (cabinet was called the Boyden) with the 12B13C52 chassis. Same number of tubes. The chassis is ~half discrete transistor solid state, with the chroma demod being a DIP IC on a lone duramodule board similar to those used in their SS sets. Very good sets.

This set is missing the hue knob and it's hole so my guess is that it is an export PAL model.
I knew that the control panel looked a little different.
I wonder if the sets came from the factory as a PAL version. The set is old enough that the PAL system was around for awhile.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:31 PM
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It looks like the hole for the hue knob shaft was never punched in the face panel so I'd be inclined to think it is factory.
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Old 07-21-2018, 05:57 PM
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Kinda puts into perspective what folks in other parts of the world have to do in order to secure such a set , here I know of folks who wouldn't take a 4 hour trip , much less a 14 hour trip !

Hopefully the 14 hours is round trip , as in 7 hours each way ?
Being an obsessive crackpot I'll do anything in my power to secure a set I want. For instance, I pushed one of my own sets most of the way home on a trolley in the snow, about six kilometers before I was offered a ride the rest of the way which wasn't much farther.

Round trip or one way, that's what I've been wondering since I saw the original post.
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I found this for sale here in Spain, just a 14-hour ferry trip away. If I'm not mistaken this is one of the last all-tube color chassis, definitely before the 4-tube hybrid era.

It's particularly interesting to me because these weren't built or sold here and it may be the only chance I have to get my hands on a Zenith color set with tubes in it.

What say you, VK?

Looks like a 23 inch Zenith Chromacolor, circa 1970/1971. We had almost the same exact model, it was called the Boyden IIRC.
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:01 AM
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Thanks everyone for the info! My grandparents had one that looked just like this, so it had a nostalgia pang added to the rarity factor for me.

Yeah, 7 hours each way on a ferry, I don't think anyone would ship it so I'll have to take a car ferry out to Mallorca to pick it up.

Very interesting about the possibility of it being a PAL model. It's entirely plausible, as Zeniths were built under license by a company called Televasa in Barcelona toward the end of the dictatorship, but I haven't been able to get much info on dates or models produced - this is the only color Zenith I've seen here.

I'm going to go for it.

ETA: this is the only Zenith of this era I have seen that didn't have a green halo. I wonder if the CRT is different as well? I know the other sets made under license in Spain used home-grown tubes (complete with weird-o European numbers) to avoid a hefty import duty.
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Old 07-25-2018, 11:41 AM
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Hello. I have a couple of sets assembled by Telerasa of Spain. I must say they seem original Zenith tvs with the exception they have different cabinets (of lower quality) and back panels. All the parts inside, included picture tube, are genuine Zenith products so I guess there was a production line made for export in Europe. One of mine also has the telephone module just like many of the original system3. I had exactly the tv in the picture but mine was made in USA and was modified to work here in Italy. I seem to remember the picture tube was a Chromacolor type, the one with black matrix dot screen. I would love to find my infancy Zenith, a portable with 15y6c15 chassis but this is another story.
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Old 07-26-2018, 08:37 AM
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Zenith sold "kits" to many foreign countries. They pop up
in some strange places. It seems consoles had a local cabinet.
Portables looked slightly different than ours. All this was
done to get around taxes. If it wernt for taxes they probably
would have built them here.
Sets built in Europe are rare here. I have only seen a few Grundig
multi-modes brought back by servicemen. Most they had were
Jap or ROK sets, Sanyo the most often seen. As far as I know
no US company built multi modes for retail sales.

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Old 07-27-2018, 05:20 AM
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I'm waiting for this guy to get back to me so we can set a time to pick it up.

There are several American brands here (I started a thread a couple months back with photos), all of which seem to be either built here or made specifically for export - lots of bug-eyed picture tubes, etc., and the ugliest Sylvanias you ever did see.
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