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charliesheen
04-22-2006, 11:20 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/15GP22-Westinghouse-15-Color-TV-1954_W0QQitemZ6274139927QQcategoryZ3638QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

crooner
04-23-2006, 01:14 AM
oh man I wish that set was closer to me!

Shipping to CA is probably insane.

I hope an AK'er gets her!

RetroHacker
04-23-2006, 06:35 AM
Wow - now _that_ is going to get expensive. But that is a really cool set. I only hope that sometime soon someone figures out how to rebuild those bloody tubes, because without a tube, it'll just be a broken television forever.

-Ian

Telecolor 3007
04-23-2006, 01:21 PM
An very old set that is not an "R.C.A."!
That C.R.T. is owfoul big! What angle of deflexion it haves?

Charlie
04-23-2006, 02:31 PM
Hell yeah that's gonna get expensive! These Westinghouse sets are quite rare... even more so than a CT100. Still has the paper/wax capacitors under the chassis! I wonder how many years have passed since this baby's been in use?!

It's a shame about the CRT going to air. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to find a good 15" tube. I'd expect to win the lottery first!

Steve McVoy
04-23-2006, 04:10 PM
You can ship the set to CA for under $400. Yes, these sets are rare. We have 15 in our database compared to 113 CT-100s:

http://www.earlytelevision.org/color_database.html

Here is the restored one at the museum:

http://www.earlytelevision.org/westinghouse_color.html

yagosaga
04-23-2006, 05:12 PM
That C.R.T. is owfoul big! What angle of deflexion it haves?
45 degrees.

radio63
04-23-2006, 05:32 PM
I'm wondering if it would be a complete impossibility to locate an original back cover for this set? The seller says it's missing.

Telecolor 3007
04-23-2006, 05:32 PM
Wow, at my "Temp" 2 I have 60 degrees; why the deflexion angle was so small?

Steve McVoy
04-23-2006, 05:46 PM
It was difficult to get convergence right with the early color tubes. Notice that the 15GP22 is a round tube (by 1954 all black and white tubes were rectangular) for the same reason. The next generation of color tubes (21AXP22) were about 70 degrees. Color tubes were round until the mid 60s.

Telecolor 3007
04-23-2006, 05:51 PM
Aha. My 1957 B & W "Temp" 2 it's a roundie!

John Folsom
04-23-2006, 09:32 PM
The Westinghouse 15" color set is one of my favorites. Along with RCA, Westinghouse was one of the eraly developers of color TV. As early as 1952, Westinghouse was demonstrating a color set using R-Y/B-Y demodulstion, which most other manufactuers used within a few years. The model H840CK15 alos featured a ture phase locked loop color reference oscillator, using no 3.58 MHZ color crystal. One of the front panel controls is labeled "color hold". Interesting too that the tint (or color phase) contorl was a back panel control, not intended for routine customer adjustment. This implies that the circuit was much more stable than the program material turned out to be! It also has one of th most stable high voltage supplies of any of the 15" color sets fielded in 1954. Shame about the CRT.

kx250rider
04-24-2006, 12:04 AM
I hope it was better than the 1957 22" rectangular Westinghouse... I got one working (if you call it that) about 10 years ago. It actually had an OK picture, but the regulation was awful and it was very unstable in the front end. And just for the record, it too was & is missing the back. Says something subliminal about the reliability here; the back is never on the sets!

I bet this 15" one will see $2000+ on eBay...

Charles

andy
04-24-2006, 01:45 AM
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Steve McVoy
04-24-2006, 05:57 AM
There is a photo of a magazine ad at the bottom of this page:

http://www.earlytelevision.org/21_inch_color.html

I'd like a photo of a real set to post.

There is one surviving set (and maybe a second).

kx250rider
04-24-2006, 11:46 AM
Do you have any pictures of the 22" Westinghouse? I've never even seen a picture of a complete set other than on the cover of the Sams folder.]

I just looked at the photos courtesy of Steve, and mine was the same front mask but not a console. Just a cheap table model. I have no photo handy, but if I dig one up I'll repost.

Charles

Steve D.
04-24-2006, 12:03 PM
I just posted on my site a rare Westinghouse 22" color tv ad from 1956. Just scroll down to the CTC-5 section.

Steve D.

Charlie
04-24-2006, 12:30 PM
...mine was the same front mask but not a console. Just a cheap table model. I have no photo handy...

I was not aware there WAS a table model of the 22" Westinghouse. I hope you find that photo... this would be extremely interesting! :yes:

andy
04-24-2006, 12:50 PM
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Steve D.
04-24-2006, 05:09 PM
I was not aware there WAS a table model of the 22" Westinghouse. I hope you find that photo... this would be extremely interesting! :yes:

Charlie,

Here's a closeup, from the full page ad on my site, of the Westinghouse 22" color table model 22T156 with matching stand. Limed Oak finish.

http://community.webtv.net/StevesCT-100/doc


Steve D.

vintagecollect
04-24-2006, 05:56 PM
Interesting to see what tv goes for. Costly to restore even if someone has a big box of used tubes to replace scavenged ones. Bidders have good 15" CRT tubes?? That picture tube is a sticking point, is front mask damaged with missing safety glass? A true rainy day project, I guess some might bid as a display piece only? Are the missing knobs in any photos to verify ALL correct orginal knobs are still there? Any closeups of flyback to show possible visible status??????? Tubes can be removed from TV service shop, ---- a shorted part years ago that may have caused catastrophic damage. I know in RCA sets, the Horiz Output gets shorted out occassionally. I can see this as the reason such an expensive set can be stripped of its tubes and being removed from service, being used as a parts set only. I would only bid as such. :scratch2:

kx250rider
04-25-2006, 12:04 PM
What happened to the set?

I sold it in the 90s to another collector here in Los Angeles...

Charles

vintagecollect
04-26-2006, 12:08 AM
There's critical parts to this TV that are near impossible to replace. I just hope any Akers bidding on this thing ASK for photos to show status of these rare parts.

:yes:

vintagecollect
05-01-2006, 12:36 AM
DOES anybody have a surviving Mortorola 22" color set from the fifties??

John Folsom
05-02-2006, 10:54 PM
Wow, that is a pretty good price with a set with a dud CRT! Anyone know who the winning bidder is?

Charlie
05-02-2006, 11:04 PM
I'm a little surprised it didn't go higher... it's not everyday that one of these show up.

John Folsom
05-02-2006, 11:07 PM
They ARE very rare, but the dud CRT probably dampened the bidding. Wonder if the winner has a good CRT?

Charlie
05-02-2006, 11:11 PM
Wonder if the winner has a good CRT?

Perhaps a rebuild 15G from that place on the east coast! :D

frenchy
05-02-2006, 11:17 PM
At least with this set it was revealed that the tube was a dud, and really, what would the odds be that one of these tubes in any set would be good enough to be usable, let alone better than that? Better than buying one with no knowledge of the pic tubes status and wishfully hoping that it's still good - with a bid to match.

kx250rider
05-03-2006, 01:56 AM
I'm a little surprised it didn't go higher... it's not everyday that one of these show up.


First of all, it isn't stereo. And if that wasn't enough to bomb out the saleability, it uses too much electricity and the screen is too small. Who'd want it??? :lmao:

Charles