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Radiotronman
04-15-2016, 08:34 PM
My neighbor gave me this 1968 Westinghouse JetLine tv. It keeps blowing the fuse attached to the line and the power transformer. I'm not used to working on these transistor sets, any idea what's causing his?

Radiotronman
04-15-2016, 08:40 PM
Here is the photo of the chassis. It uses a 19CMP4 crt. I don't have the schematic for this set yet. Has anyone worked on one if these sets?

maxhifi
04-15-2016, 10:10 PM
There's a short somewhere.. Try a variac ?
That is a very stylish tv, what a cool find!

Radiotronman
04-15-2016, 10:29 PM
I did a continuity check on the electrolytics to see if any of them are shorted and I get continuity on several. This could be my problem... I'll order replacements and restuff them and see if I get any success. It seems odd though that a set this late would have that many bad, but I guess it is 50+ years old.

Radiotronman
04-15-2016, 11:39 PM
slowly bringing it up on a variac and I finally am seeing some life at about 40%.

old_coot88
04-15-2016, 11:58 PM
What amperage rating are the fuses you're putting in?

Radiotronman
04-16-2016, 12:14 AM
Found a silicon diode in the hv supply get hot at 30%, so I replaced it with a new one and replaced the hv rectifier. The set works great now!

Popester
04-16-2016, 01:01 AM
CRT looks like it has weak emission. Not to bad otherwise.

zeno
04-16-2016, 09:35 AM
Rare & cool set. Was the first instant on set. I remember the
TV ads for it. Only saw a few on the bench.
Has the classic soft CRT look but be sure the instant on is
working OK. It may have a gang on/off SW where one part
fails. Common in the olden days. A very nice find that any
of us would like.

73 Zeno:smoke:

Radiotronman
04-16-2016, 10:08 AM
Thanks Zeno, cool info on it! The CRT tests way into the goid section, I just like running my tvs not do bright, plus there's that gig filter on the front too. I had never seen one before and thought it was a cool looking set.

dieseljeep
04-16-2016, 10:28 AM
Here is the photo of the chassis. It uses a 19CMP4 crt. I don't have the schematic for this set yet. Has anyone worked on one if these sets?
I never knew they made that set solid-state. It was toward the end of Westinghouse's TV production. Looks overbuilt!
I had one, about two years older, all tube. Hot chassis, voltage doubler, probably TOTL and a great performer. Seemed to be a low hours set, CRT perfect! :thmbsp:

WISCOJIM
04-16-2016, 11:17 AM
plus there's that gig filter on the front too.
I'm assuming by "gig filter" you meant the glare screen on the front. Never heard the term "gig filter". What does that mean? (Saw nothing that seemed to make sense using Google.)

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old_coot88
04-16-2016, 11:18 AM
The gig filter sounds like a real innovation.
Wunner if they had a patent on it.




:lmao:

Radiotronman
04-16-2016, 11:43 AM
Sorry guts, dang autocorrect! I meant fogged or smoked plastic screen cover.

zeno
04-16-2016, 05:33 PM
The "sun screen" made the set look like it wasnt a TV when
off. It was like magic when you turned it on & a bright
picture appeared.
Tube models were more common but still not every day sets.
This was a big $ set.
W was about to pull the plug on consumer electronics at this time.
Personally I hated them but this is IMHO is a milestone set.
W had the ability to build very hi tec stuff but CE was a $$ looser.
IIRC they built the camera that showed N. Armstrong stepping
on the moon.

73 Zeno:smoke:

David Roper
04-16-2016, 06:48 PM
Is that Dorothy Fuldheim with Johnny?

OvenMaster
04-16-2016, 07:40 PM
The "sun screen" made the set look like it wasnt a TV when
off. It was like magic when you turned it on & a bright
I swear that the very first thought I had when I saw the photos was that I would have sworn at first glance that it was a microwave oven.

zeno
04-16-2016, 07:54 PM
I swear that the very first thought I had when I saw the photos was that I would have sworn at first glance that it was a microwave oven.

It does have that look. In person the screen was totally black
when off. At the time some Jap sets had sun screens but they
were more liked smoked plastic & very small screened. This beast was
like nothing else. I cant remember anything like it. Very impressive
& ultra modern space age stuff. The SS chassis held up well & I
think there are many more survivors than the tube model that
dried up & got junked within 5 yrs.

73 Zeno:smoke:

MIPS
04-16-2016, 10:19 PM
It really looks like something you would fit into a custom built bookcase.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d8/9e/dc/d89edca653bc5be7ff849d6bdca3c8d3.jpg

zeno
04-17-2016, 08:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrVFrS4AUks

73 Zeno:smoke:

Radiotronman
04-17-2016, 09:35 AM
Awesome commercial, thanks! It definitely is a beast. It has a handle but this set is heavy to lug round.

KentTeffeteller
04-26-2016, 11:35 AM
Zeno,

Interested in why you aren't a fan of W television sets. And your experience with their repair and servicing perspectives. Your thoughts, please.

DavGoodlin
04-26-2016, 01:59 PM
The fact Westinghouse made electrical generation and distribution equipment seemed to show up in their sets as rugged, if economical, power supplies and sweep circuits. Flybacks in their color sets were silicone coated while RCA's were flaming out everywhere. I do recall W using more safety equipment on their sets. I have the second to last 19" color set from 1968. It is a very odd design with series heaters and many 6GH8's, but it has a lead sheet covering the back of the CRT from mask to yoke. My guess is the Nuclear division had a say in that.

The signal-processing performance was not at all impressive and probably modeled after Emerson. Both were made in North Jersey and the similarities on the inside were more than coincidental. They seemed to have only a few models overall though W made TVs through the 1960s. I would not be surprised they hung on to the home appliances, lamp divisions, etc if only to retain brand recognition among the masses.

That said, if you were in a fringe area, you were always better off with a Zenith, Admiral, Philco, Sylvania or RCA - But its my second favorite make as a collector.:)

zeno
04-26-2016, 02:09 PM
Zeno,

Interested in why you aren't a fan of W television sets. And your experience with their repair and servicing perspectives. Your thoughts, please.
Part of it was there were not a lot of them so never got used to them.
The color chassis was a bit cheaply made & messy looking. Also
very tube hungry sets. B&W's were better but many suffered from
slipping tuner wafers & yokes. Hard to describe but they always
seemed to be missing "something" like an Emerson or GE
with a few years on it.
And the owner hated them to. Had one someone got for free.
Great cabinet but high miles. He begged here NOT to fix it but she
could only see the cabinet. Took a bunch of tubes then she pulled
the old "my husband has the check book" scam. A week later
the FBT burned up & she wouldnt buy one. Never got a dime from the
bitch. A few yrs later at another shop I sold her a bottom line GE
range. I told her it only had one rack. 2 days later she was in
screaming for a free rack. I told her to call GE, it was hers.
She was really pissed off but I got some vengence for the W TV
screwing. They see & hear what they want to not the facts.

73 Zeno:smoke:

KentTeffeteller
04-28-2016, 05:57 PM
Love this perspective from a serviceman's point of view. Hardly ever saw a W set in Eastern Tennessee. Here RCA, Zenith, and Magnavox were dominant (the last locally built), and our sets tended to need fringe capable tuners and front ends for any reception. Growing up in Alcoa, TN/Maryville, TN we did have a W dealer, J&K Store (mainly groceries, sold a few W appliances in the day. Hardly ever see any looking in that area.

zeno
04-29-2016, 08:07 AM
Love this perspective from a serviceman's point of view. Hardly ever saw a W set in Eastern Tennessee. Here RCA, Zenith, and Magnavox were dominant (the last locally built), and our sets tended to need fringe capable tuners and front ends for any reception. Growing up in Alcoa, TN/Maryville, TN we did have a W dealer, J&K Store (mainly groceries, sold a few W appliances in the day. Hardly ever see any looking in that area.

They were almost rare here. If you want fringe you are correct. Most
2nd & 3rd tier sets lacked what it took or lost it fast. W certainly
had the know how & $$ to build anything but why throw $$ at something
loosing. It was time to design solid state color sets & would have been
interesting to see what they came up with. Today it would be fun
to work on one, I may even change my mind on them being 40 yrs old
& wiser. One thing I have realized is almost everyone made some
great sets & some JUNK. Its the percentage that mattered.

73 Zeno:smoke:

davet753
04-29-2016, 08:11 PM
Love this perspective from a serviceman's point of view. Hardly ever saw a W set in Eastern Tennessee. Here RCA, Zenith, and Magnavox were dominant (the last locally built), and our sets tended to need fringe capable tuners and front ends for any reception. Growing up in Alcoa, TN/Maryville, TN we did have a W dealer, J&K Store (mainly groceries, sold a few W appliances in the day. Hardly ever see any looking in that area.

Knox Department Store and Woodruffs in Knoxville were pretty big in Westinghouse. The guy I worked for had a contract with both stores through the 60's to deliver and service Westinghouse televisions for them. When I bought the store from him, we had filing cabinets full of W service literature.

I still have a large, round thermometer and matching electric clock advertising Westinghouse tubes.

KentTeffeteller
05-01-2016, 03:06 PM
Remember Knox Department Store and Woodruffs very well. Interesting about you working for the contracted service company. Somewhere, I have a photo of the old Downtown Maryville J&K Store's W signs. If I can find it, and get a scan, I'll try to post it.

davet753
05-01-2016, 04:30 PM
I should say, Kent, that it was before my time. He serviced a lot of Westinghouse sets in the 60's, but sold Motorola/Quasar. By the time I went to work there in the late 80's, we done warranty work for RCA, GE, and Magnavox. We also handled Goldstar and Samsung warranty work for the Chapman Highway K-Mart.

zeno
05-01-2016, 04:59 PM
Most of the W sets in our area came from appliance stores just like
GE & Hotpoint. Very few ran a service dept for TV.
My brothers a nuke engineer. Need a bomb or power plant ?
His last job was with W. IIRC something about rebuilding fuel rods.
W is still a big player but not recognized like GE. Most of the
nuke biz seems to be W, GE, & CE ( combustion Engineering ).
Remember also W took Teslas ideas & brought them to market.
Edison treated him like shit, NOT the probably greatest mind we
ever had. And I wont go into Bell, the Canadians beat him but
he gets all the credit.
Reminds me of an old saying where I came from.
" Acton supplied the men, Concord supplied the ground, and
Lexington took all the credit". ( Rev war, old north bridge).

73 Zeno:smoke:

JB5pro
05-01-2016, 11:24 PM
That set looks great to me. Very cool! It matches my westinghouse reel to reel recorder that has a smoke tint cover over it's small reels. I think it's a '68 and it worked perfect last time i checked.

rca2000
05-01-2016, 11:48 PM
I realize it is WAAAAYYYYY too late to help him...but I think Tesla is FINALLY getting the credit he deserves...after all of this time..

KentTeffeteller
05-02-2016, 10:40 AM
Ironic thing, the car before my present one was financed by Combustion Engineering's Credit Union, the Chattanooga, TN branch.

dieseljeep
05-02-2016, 12:13 PM
They were almost rare here. If you want fringe you are correct. Most
2nd & 3rd tier sets lacked what it took or lost it fast. W certainly
had the know how & $$ to build anything but why throw $$ at something
loosing. It was time to design solid state color sets & would have been
interesting to see what they came up with. Today it would be fun
to work on one, I may even change my mind on them being 40 yrs old
& wiser. One thing I have realized is almost everyone made some
great sets & some JUNK. Its the percentage that mattered.

73 Zeno:smoke:
The only W sets I thought we good were 1954/55 models. Twin 5U4's, power transformer and keyed AGC.
The 1956 models were really cheapened up, PC boards, transformerless design, even their first rectangular color set, the one with the infamous 22EP22.
Their industrial switchgear was very well built. There was several old circuit breakers and motor starters, that were installed new in 1935 and still worked great.
Their slogan at the time was "Every House Needs Westinghouse". It was on the connection diagram label inside the enclosure. :D

DavGoodlin
05-02-2016, 12:25 PM
The only W sets I thought we good were 1954/55 models. Twin 5U4's, power transformer and keyed AGC.
The 1956 models were really cheapened up, PC boards, transformerless design, even their first rectangular color set, the one with the infamous 22EP22.
Their industrial switchgear was very well built. There was several old circuit breakers and motor starters, that were installed new in 1935 and still worked great.
Their slogan at the time was "Every House Needs Westinghouse". It was on the connection diagram label inside the enclosure. :D

And I would venture to state the same for GE, 1956 was their down-turning point in TV excellence also. I have a 1955 GE console, no PCBs two 5U4's.
:sigh:

dieseljeep
05-02-2016, 01:13 PM
And I would venture to state the same for GE, 1956 was their down-turning point in TV excellence also. I have a 1955 GE console, no PCBs two 5U4's.
:sigh:
The GE, I would really like is the 21" table model, shown on Wisconsin Craig's list entry, but a "C" note seems a little high. :scratch2:
It has the good chassis and a UHF tuner.
While other TV manufacturers were cheapening their sets, Motorola started building a better set, model years 1956 to 1962. :thmbsp: