View Full Version : I just saved a Zenith CCII from the trash.


Electronic M
03-09-2016, 01:59 AM
I had a good day (started kinda boring helping the folks get more new flooring from Ill...long story there) when I got back home in the surprisingly warm evening I felt like driving my Lincoln (surprising after spending 5+ hours crammed in the uncomfortable back seat back of a Honda C-RV with boxes of wood flooring restricting my personal space to the point I could barely move). I sat my self down in the plush roomy seats picked a fast and twisty local country route and had a blast mashing the gas pedal and taking fast turns made infinitely better by trying out the auto-dimming high-beams feature (which flashlight tests had made me think was dead) and finding to my utter shock that it actually worked (I was happy enough to be whoopin' & hollerin' upon finding they worked halfway along the trip). 3/4 of the way along blasting side A of Yes' album 90215 (on someones' 8-track mix tape) I spied 2 TV consoles (1 was familiar looking), mashed the brake, and backed into the driveway I had overshot. I hopped out and examined the offerings I had parked so that my headlights shown on. One was a delta-gun vertical chassis CCII console similar to a table set I own (Score!), the other was an RCA ColorTrak push-button inline-gun (not worth saving to me). Still blasting Yes (and exclaiming YES, and similar elated words) I popped the trunk hauled the console over a Lincoln length back (glad it had casters), moved the spare tire into the back seat from the trunk, and singlehandedly loaded that console into the trunk...If the residents of the house noticed me I must have been quite the sight (and sound)...
Doubly happy I cruised home on the twistiest stretch of road, and pulled in to my neighborhood with all the windows down blasting DEVO's 'We're through being cool' (from the same mix tape).

The console is dead; no dial light, no HV, no nothing. I'm guessing bad power cord/switch, or maybe a SWMPS....I'll findout.

Here's some pictures:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1699/25003861784_bccce2ceda_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/E6vjZf)

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1545/25266793139_14923dc4ee_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EuJVjt) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1518/25634337985_d3688f96ab_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F4dFAz) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1560/25634351215_a016b0e674_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F4dKwF) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1612/25338664550_c24ffb4805_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EB6hbJ) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1701/25338678160_1b11412443_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EB6meo)

It is VERY similar to, but noticeably different from my metal cabinet CCII table set with cart (below).
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i469/ElectronicMemory/My%20Digs/th_DSCN2879_zps759cbec2.jpg (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/ElectronicMemory/media/My%20Digs/DSCN2879_zps759cbec2.jpg.html)

Best solo late night drive I've had!:D

Kamakiri
03-09-2016, 09:11 AM
Someone seeing you on the way home might've thought they got caught in a temporal rift :D

CoogarXR
03-09-2016, 11:28 AM
Someone seeing you on the way home might've thought they got caught in a temporal rift :D

Or they could have thought it was a prototype of the modern-day car show cliche, the flat-screen TV in the trunk.

https://www.celicahobby.com/ubbthreads/attach/1953489486-scion.jpeg

Electronic M
03-09-2016, 01:39 PM
Someone seeing you on the way home might've thought they got caught in a temporal rift :D

Or they could have thought it was a prototype of the modern-day car show cliche, the flat-screen TV in the trunk.

Lol!
I drove home with the set face down and trunk lid tied shut, it was only in the trunk in the photographed position twice (for a second when first set in to the trunk, and just before removal).

It might be interesting to go to an electronics swap meet and sell a TV out of the back that way, or go to a car show and use a period TV to demonstrate trunk space/weird people out.:D

In a bit I'll pull the back, test the CRT, and try to sort out the no power issue.

Jon A.
03-09-2016, 03:35 PM
Whoa... that's like trash night for me and a couple of friends 20+ years ago, except for the car. The closest thing we had was a Dodge Mirada with a leaning tower of power.

You picked the right one for sure. An inline RCA, yuck city.

Electronic M
03-12-2016, 03:25 PM
Wednesday's Delayed results (Typed the post and lost it on wed so gave up):

CRT tests 84% on my tester which is as good as NOS. :thmbsp:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1557/25561507631_0ff9da085e_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EWMpEP)DSCN1402 (https://flic.kr/p/EWMpEP) by Tom Carlson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137849736@N08/), on Flickr

Jumpering the power switch did nothing, so I tried playing with the breaker (again) and started getting sounds from the chassis. Playing with the bright/contrast controls got a flicker of a horizontal line. A flip of the service switch (which the previous owners left in the wrong position) got me a full raster.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1676/25027411503_1d5a277061_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/E8A2uT) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1665/25023626904_44e51f5c6b_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/E8fCtb)

Some twiddling of the controls got a much nicer picture.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1669/25627955226_059100e6c4_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F3DYe1) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1588/25654132465_dcec82d83d_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F5Y8NH) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1633/25023573034_001fd27a9e_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/E8fmso)

I love how darn near immortal and easy to service the CCII series is.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1492/25027330313_c34c9a44d0_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/E8zBn4) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1591/25654090715_c2dc3a11fe_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F5XVoT) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1564/25627883966_d945623ee9_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F3DB3o) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1563/25654058055_693958bee7_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F5XKFM) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1599/25535503602_ee8121b7b0_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EUu8zu) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1561/25628045266_bc62f644d8_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F3EqZq) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1494/25286615019_4ab5e9eddf_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EwuvF2)

The main differences between this set and my table model (aside from cabinet) are that the table set has two matching knobs (one volume, the other on-off) different from the console's, and the console has plastic thumb grips on it's antenna terminals instead of plain screws. One really wacky thing is that the back has 4 service saver twist clips holding the back on PLUS 3 screws holding it on....Every other Zenith I've seen has either just the screws or just the service saver clips.....Adding the screws defeats the purpose of the clips: getting the back off fast.

The tuner indicator light is burnt out, and the tuner is rather dirty (It wanted to tune channel 7 with the knob set to 8, and pix would get noisy occasionally and need knob jiggle or a slap to the cabinet to straighten out).

This set has a rather unique odor combo that is part smoker's set part damp moldy basement. With how beat up the cabinet is, the ready interchange of that 23" V Chromacolor CRT with most of my rectangular sets, and me already having a nearly identical metal cabinet set, part of me thinks I should just part this console out....I'll have to think over what to do with it.

If any one wants to give this set a home I'll be happy to let it go.

brokenbroken
03-12-2016, 04:02 PM
I have the same set but in the metal table model. The channels used to drift when I first got it many years ago. The problem turned to be broken solder connections where the tuner plugged into it's module. It's behind the chassis if I remember correctly.

zeno
03-12-2016, 04:10 PM
IIRC you need a short NE-2 for the selector. Get short ones anyways,
they fit anything.
If the selector has a normal switch it will clean up but if its
built on ceramic it may not. ( like the pkgs on 9-151's etc ).

Normal to find 1/4 inch along with twists from the factory.
Always had one at the cord & a few along the top. They held
down the plastic bag with the owners manual, remote, etc.

Pix is very nice, better than I remember ! Also heart warming to
see it in the trunk of a 5000 lb REAL car. I miss those as much
as the Zenith TV's.

73 Zeno:smoke:

drh4683
03-13-2016, 12:06 PM
Tom,

I'm studying Zenith production data and see this set has some valuable info on it. Could you post a brighter picture of the back cover model tag and also a brighter shot of the chassis that shows the tag where the chassis was assembled? There should also be an ink stamp to the right of that chassis tag.

Thanks

Electronic M
03-13-2016, 08:56 PM
Tom,

I'm studying Zenith production data and see this set has some valuable info on it. Could you post a brighter picture of the back cover model tag and also a brighter shot of the chassis that shows the tag where the chassis was assembled? There should also be an ink stamp to the right of that chassis tag.

Thanks

Sure.

This makes the fifth and newest CCII I own. If you want info on any of my other CCII's just ask.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1568/25673748681_ba9b1936ba_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F7GF2k) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1719/25768814675_5cee36b667_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Fg6UQc) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1692/25142204573_b52a0e79c2_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EiJntK) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1595/25142188913_eb9aa8769e_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EiJhPK) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1480/25142172763_fe69756034_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EiJd2i) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1524/25468063090_59ecd569b8_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ENwtS3)

More pictures here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/137849736@N08/albums/72157663329525703/with/25468045990/

I'd assume Oct. 1978 was fairly late production for CCII sets.
It's interesting to think that my car was built near exactly 1 year before the TV, and 14 years before I came to be (both have Oct. final build dates like me :D).

zeno
03-14-2016, 10:53 AM
The model number starts with a single S. This makes
it a big store set. Probably came from a major retailer
although we could sometimes get them as drop ins.
K-line is the switch over to 1st gen System 3. Top
line 25" & 2 19" sets came that way. In L-line almost
all were 2nd gen S3 sets ( 9-160 ) with a few uprights on the
lowest end sets.

73 Zeno:smoke:

drh4683
03-14-2016, 11:00 AM
The model number starts with a single S. This makes
it a big store set. Probably came from a major retailer
although we could sometimes get them as drop ins.
K-line is the switch over to 1st gen System 3. Top
line 25" & 2 19" sets came that way. In L-line almost
all were 2nd gen S3 sets ( 9-160 ) with a few uprights on the
lowest end sets.

73 Zeno:smoke:

Thanks for all the great photos, Tom! This helps a lot.

Zeno, what exactly did the "S" stand for and how did that make it a "big store" set? I also see some models that start with the letter "T" as well, typically sets from the early 70's. Were those sets for institutional use? What was a "drop in"? Otherwise, most models typically start with the familiar letter associated to any given model year. What made the "S" models different enough to justify to that designation?

dieseljeep
03-14-2016, 11:32 AM
The model number starts with a single S. This makes
it a big store set. Probably came from a major retailer
although we could sometimes get them as drop ins.
K-line is the switch over to 1st gen System 3. Top
line 25" & 2 19" sets came that way. In L-line almost
all were 2nd gen S3 sets ( 9-160 ) with a few uprights on the
lowest end sets.

73 Zeno:smoke:

It's amazing, if you bought the lower end model you got a better chassis.

Electronic M
09-03-2017, 05:10 PM
Cabinet is soon to hit the curb (it is just to cheap, beat up moldy and rotten for me), I plan to keep the CRT to go into another of my sets, the chassis to keep a similar set going, the face mask (why not?), the back and every screw I can pull out of the cabinet.

Dude111
09-04-2017, 03:49 AM
A nice find my friend!!

Jon A.
09-05-2017, 11:33 AM
Cabinet is soon to hit the curb (it is just to cheap, beat up moldy and rotten for me), I plan to keep the CRT to go into another of my sets, the chassis to keep a similar set going, the face mask (why not?), the back and every screw I can pull out of the cabinet.
Not sure if you knew this but the mask and control panel/speaker grille are one piece so it may not be practical for use in another set. By the way, that's a lot of screws. You may want to use a reversing drill, taking them out without one gets old fast.

DavGoodlin
09-05-2017, 01:23 PM
Tom, seeing a TV rising out of a mob-sized trunk takes me waaay back to my pre-pickup truck days:) I scrapped out a working 29JC45 for the same reason, a cheap cabinet. Still have all of it I think. Imagine, getting the CCII as a cheaper model - LOL

Jon A.
09-05-2017, 04:45 PM
I abandoned the idea of restoring my Sylvania's cabinet but didn't want to scrap the set so instead I chose to await a donor cabinet. Almost nothing was re-usable, it would have been like trying to restore a modern car in decades to come.

Electronic M
09-05-2017, 05:55 PM
Not sure if you knew this but the mask and control panel/speaker grille are one piece so it may not be practical for use in another set. By the way, that's a lot of screws. You may want to use a reversing drill, taking them out without one gets old fast.

I actually did most of them with the crudest tool you can picture a bent flat head driver stuck into a 1/4" socket....(later I grabbed a proper wrench for a couple of the stuck ones)....I've had years of un-powered tool hi-jinks (ever since I could hold screwdriver) and have some decent leather on my fingers....I can take out screws with my fingertips that my day would have find hard to remove using a driver.......Of course I found out yesterday that all that leather don't do a damn bit of good if it ain't where you need it when you need it...Sliced the side of my right hand just below the pinky open (needed 5 stitches) on a damn satellite DVR box I was scrapping. I did not have anything to get the stupid security screws loose and decided to pry the boards out....Would not have though the chassis was that sharp, but with enough force suddenly freed....

I wanted this extended weekend to be a a time to sort the basement and bang out some projects, and it just ended up a waste.:sigh:

Tom, seeing a TV rising out of a mob-sized trunk takes me waaay back to my pre-pickup truck days:) I scrapped out a working 29JC45 for the same reason, a cheap cabinet. Still have all of it I think. Imagine, getting the CCII as a cheaper model - LOL

Yup can't beat big American iron for getting things places. I imagine some informed late CCII buyers were laughing all the way home from the TV dealer back in the day.

I kept the whole cabinet face and base trim. If I cared enough about that set all I'd have to do to recreate the cabinet is find some particle board with similar fake wood grain on it, cut sides and top to the old dimensions, add some cross members and bolt the plastic front/side trim on. If I ever find a gutted danish modern combo or something I like as well that fist the face mask I can always stuff a CCII into it.

Jon A.
09-05-2017, 07:40 PM
I actually did most of them with the crudest tool you can picture a bent flat head driver stuck into a 1/4" socket....(later I grabbed a proper wrench for a couple of the stuck ones)....I've had years of un-powered tool hi-jinks (ever since I could hold screwdriver) and have some decent leather on my fingers....I can take out screws with my fingertips that my day would have find hard to remove using a driver.......Of course I found out yesterday that all that leather don't do a damn bit of good if it ain't where you need it when you need it...Sliced the side of my right hand just below the pinky open (needed 5 stitches) on a damn satellite DVR box I was scrapping. I did not have anything to get the stupid security screws loose and decided to pry the boards out....Would not have though the chassis was that sharp, but with enough force suddenly freed....

I wanted this extended weekend to be a a time to sort the basement and bang out some projects, and it just ended up a waste.:sigh:
I should really get a good pair of work gloves and use the right tools for the job but I never learn. Right now lefty is damaged in two places; the palm took a beating scraping paint off an old table with a mini nut driver, and while digging around under the living room radiator for a lost alignment tool I found a piece of glass instead. It put quite a slice in the side of the second finger. I disposed of a used-up CRT recently and thought I had gotten all the glass but no joy.

Findm-Keepm
09-05-2017, 08:16 PM
I should really get a good pair of work gloves and use the right tools for the job but I never learn. Right now lefty is damaged in two places; the palm took a beating scraping paint off an old table with a mini nut driver, and while digging around under the living room radiator for a lost alignment tool I found a piece of glass instead. It put quite a slice in the side of the second finger. I disposed of a used-up CRT recently and thought I had gotten all the glass but no joy.

Sailors collect tattoos, real men collect scars.....

Tom - sorry to hear of the injury - keep it clean and dry. Cellulitis is a real pain. When I was 14, I was "climbing" shelf-to-shelf amongst my Dad's junk chassis (800 sq ft, all shelves), and fell - scraped my palm across a Sylvania circuit board bottom. 32 little lacerations, only got one stitch and 3 weeks of healing. All that for a 5600 ohm 7W resistor - "Dad, don't buy one, I know where one is...." He had the resistor, but had to clean the blood off. Be careful guys, and get those tetanus shots too.

Get a set of work gloves - Walmart here had the polyurethane grip type on clearance, sadly I didn't grab a pair. I od like the Mechanix kind, but they do snag a lot in electronics. No ideal pair out there for me.