...Hai visto che sono ancora vivo?
No, no, quale intrusione!
Anzi, che piacere scriversi nella lingua di padre Dante!
Scusa solo per il ritardo:cry: .
Dunque, si, colleziono anch'io televisori, non ho vecchi tvc americani né tvc europei degli anni sessanta (però mi piacerebbe!).
Stavo per consigliarti, casomai tu volessi contentarti di televisori a colori a valvole di produzione nazionale, di vedere per qualche Indesit degli anni settanta, poi ho cominciato a leggere i tuoi messaggi, li ho letti TUTTI ed ho visto che sei già fornito e istruito.
Ho anche capito perché tu sia un patito di Zenith, per motivi sentimentali credo; é lo stesso motivo per cui a me piacciono gli Irradio (a proposito: é un Irradio in bianco e nero la cosa più bella della mia collezione:yes: ).
Ionon sono un amante di Zenith, di Bang & Olufsen mi piacciono i modelli più recenti: i modelli anteriori al '60-'65 non mi sembrano di gran bellezza; di Brionvega mi piacciono i modelli che piacciono a tutti.
Con te mi sa proprio che parleremo di molte belle cose:thmbsp: (però risparmiami un'anticamera di vendetta eh eh eh eh!:D ),anche commentando i tuoi interessanti messaggi.
A Firenze c'era, negli anni cinquanta o sessanta, una ditta che segava i colli dei cinescopi rotti (immagino dopo averli svuotati dalla "fialetta"), li accomodava, li richiudeva e rifaceva il vuoto: una meraviglia!
:scratch2: Chissà che fine ha fatto?!
A proposito, per quanto riguarda il CTC, permettimi di metterti in guardia dal cambiare i condensatori, in queste cose vado proprio controcorrente, comunque ne riparleremo; volevo consigliare in francese anche un altro forumista alle prese con un televisore simile ma proprio non so se siamo ancora in tempo.
Sapevo anche dell'importatore di televisori a colori dagli Stati Uniti, però non ho capito se abbia ancora le sue rimanenze; ah:
l'ultima volta che sono stato a Firenze ho visto un adesivo pubblicitario di un tipo che compra e vende "tutto ciò che é stato aggraziato":
ne sai niente?
Un'ultima cosa:
Tutti i miei messaggi tranne questo e quello che hai letto tu prima di scrivermi, compaiono in un'unica discussione di cui non ricordo il titolo; c'é JHalphen che sta cercando certe informazioni e mi sa proprio che noi due SI POTREBBE aiutarlo, anzi, se tu glie lo dicessi in inglese in quella stessa discussione mi faresti proprio un favore!:ntwrthy: .

Gianni

Poscritto:

A vedere su un televisore a colori (PAL) a valvole la pelatona rosea del Gerri nazionale, come dite voi, m'é proprio potuto venire un coccolone!
Sei grande, a presto
G.

Hi Gianni, I wrote a long letter to you as I received your messages but your email address doesn't seem to work properly. The message I sent to you to your address "fruschialla...." returned back with an error message. Please write me back and let me know your email address.You can write to my email address: tritwi1@alice.it
Ciao
Marco

Hi Gianni, I wrote a long letter to you as I received your messages but your email address doesn't seem to work properly. The message I sent to you to your address "fruschialla...." returned back with an error message. Please write me back and let me know your email address.You can write to my email address: tritwi1@alice.it
Ciao
Marco
Caro Marco,
Ho ricevuto regolarmente la tua posta elettronica, sebbene ti fosse arrivato un messaggio "di errore".
Ti rispondo qui per i soliti motivi, "a rate" però, dato che ogni tanto l'ADSL mi si disconnette (spero che altri forumisti non me ne vogliano per questo).

Io sono abruzzese e ogni tanto salgo a Firenze, tra l'altro c'é un ristorante in Borgo Albizi dove mi conoscono, un giorno - se vorrete - ci andremo col tuo amico che mi ha scritto ieri (adesso non ricordo come si chiama:o :ntwrthy: ).

Tu avresti potuto "vendicarti" (e non l'hai fatto) di quanto t'ho fatto aspettare l'altra volta prima di risponderti:o :ntwrthy: (grazie).

per favore scrivimi al mio indirizzo email. grazie.
Marco

Maserati Bora to y'all, too ! <grin>

Maserati Bora to y'all, too ! <grin>
...Maserati to me?! Thank you very Graetz!
Don't worry, dear mister Sandy G, coming soon a (bad) summary-translation!
Ah, for Marco AKA tritwi it will be difficult to drive in Florence streets and i love small cars; then: two small cars for me and Tritwi, and good night!:boring: :D :wave:

Maserati Bora to y'all, too ! <grin>
My father had a Maserati Bora in 1977 (Ithink) and after I blew up the A/C compressor missing a shift ( playing Speed Racer)I was not allowed within 20 feet of it.:nono:

Well, if y'all don't like Boras, then whaddabout a Lamborghini Countach ?!? Or a Ferrari Testarossa ? Ahh, them supercars are too rich for my blood...Gimme a Nuevo 500 Fiat or a 600 Multipla 'n' I'd be happy...<grin>

Well, if y'all don't like Boras, then whaddabout a Lamborghini Countach ?!? Or a Ferrari Testarossa ? Ahh, them supercars are too rich for my blood...Gimme a Nuevo 500 Fiat or a 600 Multipla 'n' I'd be happy...<grin>
Good morning to you all,
on Quattroruote there are:
- Maserati Coupé,
- Maserati Gransport spider and
- Maserati Quattroporte:
all too long for Florence streets and tritwi; i only knew the "Bora variant", but it is not a Maserati car.
I BROKE my mum's old 500 (Giacosa's 500, not Topolino) on a country roadway; i was lonely and - thank you, God - i was undamaged; my uncle BROKE on the same roadway:
- another Giacosa's 500,
- one of his legs and
- his mandible;
today he has a plastic mandible and he is well;
500 are beautiful cars but DO NOT break them and yourself!:nono:

Yeah, a Giacosa 500 would NOT do too well in America, "mixing it up" w/ the "18-wheeler" trucks, SUVs, & "Yank Tanks"...I could easily haul the weight of a 500 in The Mighty Valdez, if not the actual car itself...

My all time Fiat favourites: 127, 126, 132, 125, 600, 500, 124, 128, Panda...

Francesco

Now we write a serious thing; i make an instalment-post because i have still some problems with ADSL (and with e-mail).
Marco asked me which tv-set i desire to have in my collection:
a CT100, thank you!:D :tresbon:
But i say thath i don't desire to change between my Irradio and the last CT100 on the planet (example: his CT100!:D ).
My Irradio is a gorgeous, handsome, luxury tv-set from 1959 (a table set, of course); it's about 40-45 Kg heavy.

(To be continued)

I would think getting a CT-100 to Italy unbroken would be a miracle on the order of the loaves & fishes...Just getting a standard roundie over there intact would be trouble enough...But then I know of the sheer determination of us old TV nuts, too...NOTHING is too much trouble once we set our minds to it...<grin>

I would think getting a CT-100 to Italy unbroken would be a miracle on the order of the loaves & fishes...Just getting a standard roundie over there intact would be trouble enough...But then I know of the sheer determination of us old TV nuts, too...NOTHING is too much trouble once we set our minds to it...<grin>
Good evening, Mister Sandy G, how are you?
Marco's CT100 has a bad heater in the picture tube.:tears:

I remember from ever the Irradio in my late aunt's Antonietta:angel: sitting room, i never seen a similar tv-set, its WHITE screen resembles one lens of my aunt glasses; its oval picturE tube was made by Philips in order to take-off any irregularity of deflection, with its about 5/4 aspect; it has a 90 degrees horizontal deflection, with a PL36 horizontal power penthode.

When my aunt Antonietta died, i got from her kind sister, my late aunt Giannina:angel: (the real owner) the tv-set, and she said that there is a radio too in it (it is a fm radio, in fact).

Now the set is mine!:D

I never seen a similar tv-set; i never heard somebody who seen a similar tv-set and i never posted its photo on Internet:
That tv-set virtually does NOT exist, but on an Antonelliana's book there are:
- its photo,
- its description and
- its schematic.
The guy who selled the (new) tv-set has not that book (lent) and i have not schematic's Xerox (lost).

The set has on his top a "control turret" (!) in amaranto bakelite; it has in its middle a magic eye DM70; at the left and the right of DM70 there are two bright displays with tv channels (A,B,C,D,E,F,G and H; H I and H II not were available yet, and UHF, but there is no optional UHF group, never put i think) and FM bands (FM I, FM II and FM III).
The same tv-fine tuning knob (and variable capacitor) tunes the radio; radio frequences are from 87 Mc/s up to 100 or 104 Mc/s (no tuning scale, i will check with an oscillator).

"FONO" indication is not displayed on the turret but near the keyboard, with a "lucciola" bulb (original), as Vespa's lamp and some soldering-irons have.

On the top, back from the "turret", there is a trapdoor; below there is a four-speed turntable, suspended by four springs; it has a "Ronette" piezoelectric turn-over pick-up.
It exploits the some sound amplifier of radio and tv sound, that has a PL84 power penthode.
The speakers are lateral:
a big midrange and a missing tweeter; the output sound trasformer has two specialised outs; the sound is pretty despite to missing tweeter; perhaps a little feeble, i think it was not so when the set was new.

It's incredible that there is not the "Irradio" indication (!); on the frame, below, there is a little plate meaning: "GOLDEN LIGHT", in fact, when i was a child, i thought it was an american set.
The frame is bright of the same light that the picture tube produces into the cabinet (!), witwouth a neon tube as Sylvania "Halolight" has; that diminuish the contrast between the screen and the ambient.
No Extra High Voltage regulator and no Automatic Tuning Control, of course!

All the cabinet is in vernished wood (apart from the missing cover, in strong paper), the top of the cabinet has a trapezium shape, so, it can perform (in a corner) the "voice of theatre" effect.

TO BE CONTINUED

Any questions?:scratch2:

ARE YOU BORED?:boring:

COMIN SOON 2ND PART:tresbon:

I'm REALLY curious to see what this TV looks like now...

My all time Fiat favourites: 127, 126, 132, 125, 600, 500, 124, 128, Panda...

Francesco

i like the 600 best :) esp. the Steyr-Puch austrian Licensed versions, and the fantastic Multipla 600

There weren't many Multiplas ever brought to America, I only remember seeing a couple back when I was a kid. 600s were fairly rare, too-but you DID see them. 500s ? I don't think Fiat ever bothered to send any over here. Fiat did NOT have a good reputation over here-the cars were not robust or powerful enuff to lock horns w/our huge V-8 powered tanks...

Fiat did also sell the 1100 in the US in the late 50s-early 60s, and later also the 124, 125, 128, 132, 130, 131 (renamed Brava in the US) and the Ritmo (renamed Strada)

Apparently, they also briefly exported the small 127 to the US after the 1973 oil crisis.

Francesco

I'm flabbergasted that someone didn't beat me to this... :tongue:

:worthless

I'm REALLY curious to see what this TV looks like now...
Yes,:yes: you REALLY will see this TV, but i don't know when:sigh: ; in the meantime:
have you any questions?:thmbsp:
I MUST reformat my notebook, good night to you all!

Hi Gianni, I might have the schematic for your tv. Please let me know the model number. get a free email (i.e. from hotmail...) and if you want to contact me please use my email address you already have instead of write me messages here.
Thanks
Marco

I would think getting a CT-100 to Italy unbroken would be a miracle on the order of the loaves & fishes...Just getting a standard roundie over there intact would be trouble enough...But then I know of the sheer determination of us old TV nuts, too...NOTHING is too much trouble once we set our minds to it...<grin>

Hi Sandy! The CT 100 came from an excellent sir named Harry Potter...sorry, Poster that really took care to pack it as everyone shipping a tv should do to avoid to the buyer the unpleasant pleasure of getting a pile of smashed wood and broken glasses (which already happened to me a couple of times...:tears: ). Speaking about that I would really love to own a Zenith space command, roundie console but no one I contacted wants to bother with packing and shipping issues of such a huge thing. Is there anybody out there willing to help a not so young guy get the set of his dreams? I would so much sitting in front of an early Zenith space command color console and watch Bewitched for hours...

There weren't many Multiplas ever brought to America, I only remember seeing a couple back when I was a kid. 600s were fairly rare, too-but you DID see them. 500s ? I don't think Fiat ever bothered to send any over here. Fiat did NOT have a good reputation over here-the cars were not robust or powerful enuff to lock horns w/our huge V-8 powered tanks...

Fiat still has not a good reputation over here too!!! We at work have two new Panda... I can't count the problems with the electric components particularly with the steering servo drive... The funny thing is they are not so cheap to buy as one might expect. There are far better Korean and Japanese cars you can have for less than a Fiat

...<grin>... Over here, "Smart-Alecks" & "Wiseguys" said "Fiat" stood for "Fix It Again, Tony"....Hehehehehehe...Of course, the same people said "Ford" stood for "Found on the Road, Dead" or "F---in' Over-Rated Disaster"...The Ford people said it stood for "First On Race Day"...

Good night to you all!

I am alive but WHAT A NIGHT!
There is a mosquito-disinfestation and i can't sleep with closed windows!:cry:

Coming soon some shots of my Irradio TV (from a special location:smoke:),
in the meantime, enjoy two schematics of Automatic Gain Control of some Irradio sets from the 50's (sorry, not mine); but how i can make the thumbnails, please?

Ah, Sandy G., Francesco's motto is:
"Fermati, imbecille: abbiamo tamponato!"

...Enjoy!*














*:1)

*:2)

Here two Automatic Gain Control schematics from four Irradio TVs from 50s:
- 22T56,
- 22T66 and
- 17T63
are 3 normal family sets and
- 17T65
is I.M.H.O (=in my HOLY opinion) the black and white brother of Portacolor:
it is a 12 tubes (+ cathode ray tube) set and its tuner has only a PCF80 tube (The triode as R.F. amplifier and the pentode as a factotum converter).

Automatic Gain Control of 22T56 , 22T66 and 17T63 is complicated, as you can see, but it AND the Automatic Gain Control of 17T65 are NOT keyed:smoke:.

Even MINE Irradio set has a NOT keyed Automatic Gain Control.

Have you some questions/comments?:D

Mister Horseman, do you like my posts?

...

Gianni- I no speaka de Italiano so good, but I think I get the general idea...Hehehehehehe !!

Gianni- I no speaka de Italiano so good, but I think I get the general idea...Hehehehehehe !!

Yes, sir, but i speak very well Abruzzese dialect (the mother tongue of the abbot Galiani):yes:

Do you like my avatar?

Yeah-Is that yr "new" TV ?

Yes, that's my "new" set from 1959; actually its screen is not so grey, but there is a "Trinitron shaped" glass on it.

...Hai visto che sono ancora vivo?
No, no, quale intrusione!
Anzi, che piacere scriversi nella lingua di padre Dante!
Scusa solo per il ritardo:cry: .
Dunque, si, colleziono anch'io televisori, non ho vecchi tvc americani né tvc europei degli anni sessanta (però mi piacerebbe!).
Stavo per consigliarti, casomai tu volessi contentarti di televisori a colori a valvole di produzione nazionale, di vedere per qualche Indesit degli anni settanta, poi ho cominciato a leggere i tuoi messaggi, li ho letti TUTTI ed ho visto che sei già fornito e istruito.
Ho anche capito perché tu sia un patito di Zenith, per motivi sentimentali credo; é lo stesso motivo per cui a me piacciono gli Irradio (a proposito: é un Irradio in bianco e nero la cosa più bella della mia collezione:yes: ).
Ionon sono un amante di Zenith, di Bang & Olufsen mi piacciono i modelli più recenti: i modelli anteriori al '60-'65 non mi sembrano di gran bellezza; di Brionvega mi piacciono i modelli che piacciono a tutti.
Con te mi sa proprio che parleremo di molte belle cose:thmbsp: (però risparmiami un'anticamera di vendetta eh eh eh eh!:D ),anche commentando i tuoi interessanti messaggi.
A Firenze c'era, negli anni cinquanta o sessanta, una ditta che segava i colli dei cinescopi rotti (immagino dopo averli svuotati dalla "fialetta"), li accomodava, li richiudeva e rifaceva il vuoto: una meraviglia!
:scratch2: Chissà che fine ha fatto?!
A proposito, per quanto riguarda il CTC, permettimi di metterti in guardia dal cambiare i condensatori, in queste cose vado proprio controcorrente, comunque ne riparleremo; volevo consigliare in francese anche un altro forumista alle prese con un televisore simile ma proprio non so se siamo ancora in tempo.
Sapevo anche dell'importatore di televisori a colori dagli Stati Uniti, però non ho capito se abbia ancora le sue rimanenze; ah:
l'ultima volta che sono stato a Firenze ho visto un adesivo pubblicitario di un tipo che compra e vende "tutto ciò che é stato aggraziato":
ne sai niente?
Un'ultima cosa:
Tutti i miei messaggi tranne questo e quello che hai letto tu prima di scrivermi, compaiono in un'unica discussione di cui non ricordo il titolo; c'é JHalphen che sta cercando certe informazioni e mi sa proprio che noi due SI POTREBBE aiutarlo, anzi, se tu glie lo dicessi in inglese in quella stessa discussione mi faresti proprio un favore!:ntwrthy: .

Gianni

Poscritto:

A vedere su un televisore a colori (PAL) a valvole la pelatona rosea del Gerri nazionale, come dite voi, m'é proprio potuto venire un coccolone!
Sei grande, a presto
G.
The company, whose talk was in Calenzano, but sent the CRT in Naples for the re-neking